The realised dreams - a dangerous meeting
It is published on July, 17th 2008
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I long enough tried to practise the realised dreams by a technique toltekov which was described by Carlos Castaneda in the books. At me it went very hardly, it did not turn out to dream about the hands in any way. In due course, simply constantly trying to get to the realised dream, I have generated intention and have started to progress.
But all time did not suffice me comprehension, and for certain, simply did many stupid errors. To the most difficult was to remain quiet when it turned out to dream about the hands. I tested at once strong emotional splash, stupidly strongly rejoiced, that at last that it was possible to me.
Well and it is final, me there and then threw out, realised the dream stopped, I woke up at once.
So proceeded long enough. Practising the realised dreams by a technique toltekskih magicians, in parallel I tried many close and similar things from others ezotericheskih systems. In due course has learnt to enter myself in "prosonochnoe" a condition, i.e. such which I can describe only as «not a dream and not a reality».
I wish to notice, that is very difficult to describe what does not have exact definition in terms of our daily life. Therefore, quite probably, that much sounds a little idiotically, but on another it is impossible.
I did of this position of a point of assemblage small, so to say, "movings". I got on a place which for itself named "crossroads". From this place did short "excursions", but I should come back back, differently comprehension thawed, and I failed from the realised dream in a usual dream or woke up.
I was, is as though adhered to dream "crossroads", it was a certain base from which it is impossible to depart far. For me the crossroads was something like more or less stable point, system of co-ordinates which was washed away in process of removal from it.
On my supervision, it turns out, that if you feel, that comprehension disappears, and just about will fall asleep and will fail in not realised dream it is better to make at once the decision to return to a base point or at once to wake up. The conscious exit from the realised dream gives the chance to hold in remembrance "travel" to a dream.
I began to try to depart far away and to create the system of co-ordinates in a dream. Tried to make so that the realised dreams have been as much as possible connected with the real world. I tried to appear in the room and to be stabilised in this place, not jumping aside on different episodes of a dream. It would be desirable much more practical things, check of the information received from a dream.
At first my "sorties" were only within a room, then I gradually began to leave on street and to try to survey the nearest vicinities. In one of such campaigns I and vljapalsja...
I think, it was the meeting with an inorganic being or can be, it was volador or the spy. Precisely I do not know, but I think, it is very similar to an inorganic being.
That time I have come a little further usual, it was on border of my possibilities of comprehension. Subjectively I felt border of comprehension to that at the slightest movement further comprehension started to fall sharply.
It seemed to me, that transition in other picture of dreams has begun, me tightened, but I again tried to be stabilised around border. Then I have tried to go in parallel border not to lose comprehension and to be late in the realised dream longer.
Here it also happens. I have sharply felt presence something not clear, alien and what that a strong stream of attention in the party. It is similar to sensation of a sight in a back, only then the sensation was much stronger also "sight" was not in a back, and is direct on me. Unfortunately, I simply did not have brains at once to wake up.
I have stopped, it was very interesting, such earlier I did not meet. Strongly confused that fact, that I do not see anything, that could explain my sensations. The street was empty, and I have gone forward. And here "it" "has jumped" on me...
It is difficult to transfer these sensations words, in our language there are no such concepts. If you, God forbid, sometime beat an electric current take these sensations and increase them 10 times. Plus sensation, that have simply broken off me on small splinters and have turned out on a wrong side.
Neighbours have woken up from my wild cry even, and to leave and take an interest, in what business, they simply were afraid...
There was a protest, disgust, sensation something wildly alien and the extremely aggressive. It seemed, that me have simply gobbled up energetically. Strongly toshnilo, hands and feet shivered, there was a weakness and sensation of a full exhaustion, the solar plexus terribly was ill.
It turns out if to compare with Castaneda's books, that, judging by sensations of aversion, disgust, allogeneity and power blow, in something similar to blow by an electric current, it was an inorganic being.
Consequences of this meeting for me were very serious... Comprehension has sharply fallen, I physically and energetically was able a full exhaustion, some days simply were half the invalid, even to move it was very heavy. In a body there was a constant sensation of a pain, an ache and all was ill simply...
The realised dreams were gone for very long time. And still - for a long time there was a fear of a repeated meeting with this creature... Also there was a little a healthy paranoia...
The first realised dreams after that again began to appear only approximately in 7-9 months after that terrible event for me. And even now, after many years, very strongly stirs constant sensation of threat in the realised dream, and the realised dreams happen much less often and shorter on time.
It is very interesting, whether there was somebody from readers something similar? If yes, very much I ask to describe the experience, strongly it would not be desirable to attack the same rake with running start. Restoration process, methods, exercises which help to be restored faster after similar meetings in the realised dream especially interests.
Labels: Castaneda, the Comprehension, the Realized dream, Abilities, Essence, Tolteki, Esoterics and practice
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I do not have not enough comprehension for the realised dreams, either energy, or personal force, do not know.
Diary of dreams I conduct already half a year, unique that it has given to me is that I began to remember dreams and they became as more realistic. Today has dreamt that I smoked a grass and sensation were absolutely real, I chustvoval as me pret …
Probably this realness also does not let know to me that it is all a dream instead of a reality, here if has dreamt that-nibut such crazy, dak there is no all usual, real …
Prompt how to achieve comprehension as you have achieved osoznanyh dreams, describe the way. I understand that at everyone the way, what exactly laziness does not allow to us to develop but if to change interpretations laziness it only inactivity chegoto, means it should give forces …
Probably it is an egregor in me it has told. I understand nothing
2 Victor
There is no comprehension, it is necessary to close holes through which there is an energy loss, basically it is personal importance and different complexes which are generated by importance. The best means, is reviewing and stalking.
The diary very well helps. That you began to remember dreams already very good indicator, it means All of you do correctly, comprehension is gradually increased. It as physical exercises if them you do, muscles gradually come to a tone. Here too most.
And here it is better to refrain from a grass, it korezhit and destroys a biofield. It is force and health loss.
I not the guru … And my "achievements" …
:) It mizer, from many other things have achieved what people. Besides, after a meeting with neorganikoj I have lost almost everything, that was before. I think, I was not restored till now.
The realised dreams now very short also happen all time in couple of months …
There is one way quickly to gain in strength, but it is connected with technics a chi kung of which I now cannot take advantage from for restrictions on health.
Energy and ways of their set happen different, and negative effects for health and mentality are present … to Struggle with them difficultly, it is better to stop dialogue with an external world, and it is practically unreal. In this case the price is too high.
Laziness is not inactivity of that that, this absence of desire to make on itself responsibility for the decision. Flight from decision-making that means refusal of call and decision acceptance is more exact, and it leads to loss of personal force. Laziness does not give any force but only takes away, here the dog and is buried.
Hello, Esoterics. In OS practice was not engaged while … But on the sensations described by you after a meeting with the unknown has solved otpisatsja:
- I have a problem: pursues the same nightmare throughout many years, and on half a year, sometimes 5-7 times a week during the long period sometimes do not dream.
To what all it - during a sensation nightmare as if the body is paralysed, all body grown dumb - just a similar condition on electric influence (tested in a life I can compare).
As if someone presses such sensation from above, the most interesting - full sensation of consciousness, I understand that in a dream and it is necessary for me to wake up, for what neohodimo to open both eyes, one opens easily, the second I try (through resistance of it something) to open hands even if opens all the same sees nothing - only a fog.
To leave such dream sharp movement by a head aside helps. Waking up I can not understand: a reality or a dream (happens so, that it is necessary to wake up some times, but each time again get to a dream and again it is necessary to try to leave it).
Would not give special value to these dreams if not accurate sensation of a pain in a breast (around a solar plexus), the general unpleasant condition and a fever and still: right after such dream and even a minute 1,5-2 on reflecting surfaces (the screen of the switched off TV, the polished furniture) goes a powerful turbulence of air streams (as a haze from the heated metal in hot weather), sometimes it is possible to see something similar to dark humanoid silhouettes which start to escape as if have noticed, that I them see …
Here I can help nothing, I did not face the such. At all I do not know what to think. More similar, that it not a nightmare, and extraneous influence, differently I do not know, how objasnit these escaping silhouettes after an exit from a dream.
Interesting technique at you, only on zelandu it is possible after all and not to wake up)
ALEXANDER, please, konkeretnee describe, that you mean under words “on zelandu it is possible after all and not to wake up”, I am simple now just is occupied by reading of its works “transerfing realities” if it is possible throw off on mail
2 Alexander
Zelanda till now, alas has not read, there is no time.
Instead of to wake up, travelling to the realised dream, quite really, it is dangerous enough thing. But the prize in this "game", imho, costs risk.
As spoke Don Juan, teacher Castaneda: “All of us we sit in the big ditch, but some thus also look at stars … I prefer to be among the second …”
Can it is not absolutely exact I quote, but an essence, I think it is clear.
2 Alexey
That you have described are not a nightmare. The nightmare is a usual dream in which you strongly are frightened or afraid of something. Here you test concrete physical sensations and that the most important thing - realise yourself sleeping. Such condition, inherently, is the real dream.
My practice of OS begins from this condition. Your problem is a fear and ignorance of some aspects of OS. Try instead of itself to awake to consider dream details, also as you would do, having woken up in an unfamiliar place.
And fear of that it is possible not to wake up, in my opinion to opinion, is groundless, at least at an initial stage of practice of OS. The matter is that we have a protective mechanism - our real world, namely our perception of this world. It so is familiar to us, that in case of danger, us automatically takes out on a surface.
If will start to operate the dream will wake up naturally, without pressure as to operate the attention in a dream and to supervise the perception very difficultly. You will by all means throw out from a dream, only thus you will not test unpleasant sensations.
It is interesting, that many people test the same sensations while start to realise itself sleeping. At this time the person tests strong discomfort, sensation of movement or, that someone drags them. Naturally, uninitiated person is frightened also of the first reaction the desire to wake up is, but frequently to make it happens uneasy. The person knows, that sleeps, but cannot poshevilit neither a hand, nor a foot and if it turns out with the big work.
The effect of a haze is or optical illusions which arise when eyes start to get used to light, or the changed condition of perception, therefore, probably, you and videte black silhouettes. In a borderline between a dream and a reality it sometimes occurs.
Thanks, Amertsev, for the detailed answer, the description of sensations really are very similar, but here effect of a haze - is unequivocal not a problem with eyes, or perception - the matter is that if to depart on distance from a place where you sleep - effect it is not visible but if to look at it through reflecting surface - turbulences proceed, long enough time (on subjective sensations completely woken up - about 1-1,5 minutes)
Amertsev, Alexey,
Alexey's condition is for me an old riddle. In this condition was involuntarily some times (two or three). Each time accompanied me causeless fear, a partial or full paralysis, impossibility to wake up, sensation of pressure upon a breast (as though who-/something sits/lays on a breast), the complicated breath, sensations, that I die, thus I ran into a disturbing dream and again got in it a condition through any time.
About a pain in a solar plexus I can not confirm, but something similar probably was (discomfort). Also there was a sensation of presence of whom-/something, to make out it was possible nothing. Both times me were accompanied by the strongest ring and noise in ears what not to meet in a usual life.
Where it is possible to find scientific or any other descriptions of this strange condition? Who knows, please, share.
2 Sasha
I do not think, that is though any science which would be engaged in the similar phenomena. There can be a medicine, do not know. At school us to it precisely did not learn. And whether I pound from these descriptions much?
For example, all are familiar with sensation "déjà vu", but nobody knows, whence it undertakes and why sensations are thus so strong. Doctors will tell, that at you memory infringement, “at which distinction between really occurring events and the events dreamt disappears, or about what the patient read or heard”. To me from this explanation neither hot, nor it is cold. We tens times on day should get memoirs from a head, thus any déjà vu and does not smell.
It is very difficult to study, that is based on only one sensations. The dream is not a field of activity of the person here again it is possible to rely only on empirical data, but hardly these data though will correspond somehow with physics laws.
The unique description which, I think, concerns our case, I have found at all the same Castaneda: “Gradually accustoming with DREAM adjustment, I have started to test again sensations as which has for some reason considered very important. It was sensation as if I roll down in a ditch. It came precisely to the moment zasypanija”. (Dream Art, gl. 3 “the Second gate of a dream”, p. 60, izd.d. "Sofia", 1993)
I wish to pay attention, that “to roll down in a ditch” you begin during the moment zasypanija. Earlier I thought, that me devils for a back drag it
Too, so to say, felt someone's presence. Imho, feeling of extraneous intervention are only physical sensations + fear + incorrect interpretation of an event.
If you read Castaneda, probably, know, that the person has “an assemblage point”. The assemblage point settles down behind the back of the person and is responsible for perception, comprehension. When the person has accepted a drug at it this perception starts to change also position of a point of assemblage, hence, changes.
The sensation “skatyvanija in a ditch”, discomfort is a consequence of very sharp shift/movement of a point of assemblage, so sharp, that our power body "wakes up" from it and starts itself to realise. The assemblage point is fixed in new position of perception.
Because of physical discomfort and fear the person starts itself to awake, extend itself from this condition. Thus to have to strain strongly. A problem that an assemblage point compulsorily to shift uneasy enough. Nevertheless, sooner or later it is possible, as position of wakefulness to all of us familiarly thoroughly.
When I awake myself in a similar way at the moment of an exit from a dream my head as though comes unstuck from the air eliminator. I think, that it too a by-effect of shift of a point of assemblage. In any case, only your personal experience can answer you all your questions.
And I usually zasyaja before a dream represent that that I wish to see, usually that that horosheee, and as a rule that has ordered all as on a palm
Recently to me often dreams simply reaalnost, i.e. in a dream I see any real events, but I understand that it is the DREAM and … I Wish to wake up, but it is impossible … I Start to shout, ask that me have woken … As a result I wake up, but suddenly I feel, that it has dreamt me (that that I have woken up), and actually I still sleep … And this cycle repeats …
Not to wake up at own will … It really you consider? I think at any rasklade will throw out back.
To wake up in a dream is a usual practice, during nightmares. Or for example, it is very strange, when having woken up in the morning, you go to a bathroom and you understand, that it dreams you, again wake up and go to a bathroom and again sleep … and nevertheless wake up and understand, that it is all to you dreamt =)
The world is fair
Similar is drawn to similar … If something has occurred I advise to establish the reason, izvlech from this experience … If the being with low vibrations has grown bolder will touch the person, the person the carrier niskih energo vibrations means, it is an occasion is engaged by spiritual development, aspires to love, creativity, and light 
I advise:
2 Sasha
Has very much interested your question about scientific descriptions.
Today the documentary film about special troops ("Special troops", RenTV, 2003) looked. Certainly, it does not concern in any way a dream, but that I have seen leaves for the standard possibilities of the person.
In a film Russian insruktor special troops has shown amerikosam and a film crew that is called, contactless fight. The instructor, not touching the opponent, effort itself has knocked it down. That it, I not in a course, but on podstavu was not similar. There can be a telekinesis?
I think nobody everything begins to argue, that, than the special troops use, have under itself accurate scientific base. Means, and that influence which the instructor has rendered on the person, too has such base, and in this knowledge of fighters actively train. Who can knows about it more?
2 Amertsev
On your question about contactless fight …
Look some more clips, executors others (like Chineses), but the same essence.
Was engaged in the vermja in Russian hand-to-hand fight, showed video of 1995 - the fighter of contactless fight struggled at once with 4-mja opponents - all flew away from it as from a wall (and mobile) - the general opinion of all participants of viewing and trainers - is unequivocal not podstava. My friends saw application of these the technician alive not to trust them at me sense are not present …
Yes, but all show something, how one pro rasskidyvaet crowd nubov. While I did not see, that spetsy between myself fought, and it would be interesting to look, as they each other “as if dzhedai any” kumarjat. I suggest fighters-beskontaktnikov to name "dzhedajami" is, type, a joke. And in general the theme serious also is worthy all studying. Methods are especially interesting. Someone has trained them in it.
P.S. I apologise for offtop, simply theme of scientific studying is interesting in itself. Apparently, special services are engaged in these researches for a long time already.
On my supervision, it turns out, that if you feel, that comprehension disappears, and just about will fall asleep and will fail in not realised dream it is better to make at once the decision to return to a base point or at once to wake up. Today has faced other problem - could not wake up independently.
In a dream stuck out somewhere half an hour (usually 1-2 minutes). Certainly, time did not mark, but approximately about that and was. Tried to awake itself, but, actually, I did not know, that it is necessary to awake, as did not feel own body. At me, a pancake, for the first time the such. In this light advice of emissary Castaneda concerning a gold ring seems to me to more clear.
If it is impossible to wake up, it is necessary to try to recollect the body where it is and to try to go to it.
As in a joke about the drunk whom in the morning, looking in a mirror, minutes 5 who cannot vduplit it there it is reflected. And then osenjaet and it gives out it “About, it I!!!”
Can and silly sounds, but I approximately and do, I try to recollect the body, and is as more as possible detailed. Small details are important. Try to be hooked and try to pass for them to sensations of a body.
At me, at such way, after vspominanija bodies, the exit from a dream subektivno is perceived, approximately how return to a hand of the thrown toy ball suspended to a hand on an elastic band looks. Vospomininanie about a body operates like a rubber plait.
And if you already near to a body, it is possible simply to try to "settle" in it.
To me helps to return to itself to bed, easier to lay down in any situation of a dream and to fall asleep again; even if not in forces to recollect where your bed actually
2 Alexey, Sasha
The catalepsy condition, onemenija bodies, sharp causeless fear, a cold and pressure upon a breast is a connection to you of "demon". "Demon" causes similar sensations is easier.
Which is more feasible, that still can (+ to told earlier) to start to confuse thoughts. Is and is even more feasible, which (+ to all) still squeezes out sensation "I" from a body in head top, suspect that can and squeeze out for ever if not to have "force" to reject pressure.
"Force" naturally not physical and not the mental. The person is initially weak against "demon", at the best shouts in a dream. Iisusova the pray really helps. Suprotiv weak "demons" - 10-15 minutes and the catalepsy leaves. If "demon" is more feasible, the abuse can go both hour and two, and "demon" tries to change, confuse pray words.
Kind "demons" have transparent (sensation of presence), but refract itself light if the source is behind them. After successful repulse neither physical, nor the sincere exhaustion is not present. Good luck to you. Do not take a great interest in OS. It is a part of system and not the first.
My situation resembles Sashinu. Last time it has occurred literally about 20 minutes ago. Has woken up and has solved at once to rummage on the Internet. There was even a hysterics for fear.
About dream management heard earlier, spoke that it is possible to adjust itself on all that you want. Few times tried, but nothing I turned out also on this business have hammered. There was a truth sometimes, that osoznoval that sleep, but from it at once woke up.
Heard as about hands in a dream. Once I managed to look at the hands, it was amusing at me fingers have begun udlinntsja and to curl to top (something became similar to exotic flowers).
And now about unpleasant sensations. All began that periodically in a dream I have started to feel very strong pressure on verhnj jaws. All it was accompanied by different dreams (that as bud my teeth bursts as bud I start to turn to the werewolf and the vampire and at rumpling the structure of a teeth, type they starts to vary grow).
As sensations very much not pleasant I have given myself installation, that as soon as I will test pressure upon the top jaw, I mean I sleep also me will throw out. But from it to me only became worse. First time thought, that me has paralysed, and the brain collapses. All was so, in the morning (usually prosihodit on days off when it is possible to have a sleep longer) I have felt it as at me a teeth ”starts“ to grow.
I have understood, that it to dream me, but to wake up to me it was not possible. On the contrary I laid and could not stir any finger, pressure upon a teeth came and left, but it was much stronger. I have tried to open eyes and, it is visible to me partly it was possible, I have seen a corner of a room and a soft toy very unusually.
I will try to explain: know happens, when you look poor-quality cinema on the computer, it is visible as the image consists of small small squares. And so approximately too most I have seen also. Only then these small squares have started to go out or display not that part of a picture which should. All aforesaid was accompanied by an awful ring in ears.
I have solved, I remember, that me have paralysed also my brain slowly dies. It was very terrible. But it proceeded all minute, it is no more. And today it lasted much longer. The truth of an eye to me to open it was not possible. But in a dream all "hanged".
I saw short fragments of a dream, me threw from one dream in another, but everyone lasted n longer neskoltkih seconds. I tried to move with fingers, to shout, but it it was impossible to me. On a teeth tested awful pressure, in ears all ringed, fear here and so and ostatsch sleeping and for the rest of the life to spend in such condition.
I wish to specify, that I understood, that I sleep, soberly thought and heard as in the real world of the car passed behind a window and birds chirped. Passing car any by, to someone given a signal has helped to wake up.
2 Konstantin
The gospel rulit, Psaltyr zhzhot! Against "is barefooted" will help only atsky BFG
2 Edgar
It is necessary to check up your reaction to garlic and silver. You can is valid, that …
I joke, certainly. Everyone can think anything you like in this occasion. But me clearly one: "discomfort" in a dream it is not simple someone's conjectures, it already statistics. It is too much people feel, as they say, the same.
And from it not to get to anywhere and not to disappear. I can advise only as it is possible to concern more easy it, and if there is a desire, to take pleasure in unusual sensations. People after all jump with a parachute, on tarzanke, overloads there test everyones, and the discomfort in OS rather looks like an overload in 9g - adrenaline rash, in a word. Again a joke.
I have one assumption concerning this discomfort, is more exact than catalepsy. I do not know, how much it true, but another is not available any more. And it sounds so: “the sleeping person cannot operate the physical body in a dream, also as the person awake cannot operate the power body in the usual condition”.
The discomfort is somehow connected with movement of a point of assemblage, whether with its vibration that, unstable or intermediate position because as soon as you start to see a steady, bright picture, the discomfort disappears.
P.S. A teeth too is ill me - karioznye monsters have overcome
In ears does not ring.
Here, in my opinion, interesting enough information on a dream:
The author shares the snovidcheskim experience and gives very much even a practical advice. Simply and clearly. By the way, about neorganiku there too is.
to Amertsev
Thanks for support and good sense of humour.
I already and itself have decided, that if you can not avoid it it is necessary to get used and try at least with it not to panic next time in a similar situation, and raslabitsja and to take pleasure.
Though from a paralysis, let even imaginary, it is heavy to take pleasure …
All it is good but what to do with “effect of a haze” image/distortion/refraction on reflecting surfaces (read above more in detail)???
Don Juan Karlitosu:
“It is your way snovidet, my young padovan. Transform it into something useful”.
You that think in this occasion?
Yes, was such … After my dream has passed in realised, I have started to design itself the world in my dream, then all has sharply disappeared and remained only to filch zatjagivajushchajaja me kudato …
Me has thrown out in a reality, I thought that I have woken up, but have then understood, that looked eyes of the astral body at my room surrounding me, could consider all in details … there was that Further, tcho has frightened me we will tell so, is the strongest in a life.
I will try objasnit … At me in a corridor the carpet with the image olimpjskogo bears hung, and so there was this bear, and began pokadrovo to fly on me. I during that moment in which it have concerned me, I have woken up from the sharp category in a neck, it was reduced then still by decent time …
Probably I have far come, there where it is already dangerous, I think there is a protection against it, but I still yet do not know what.
P.S.Kstati, a room was detalizovana completely, all could be made out how in a reality, for an exception of grayish illumination and small amorfnostii structures …
Today tried to operate a "discomfort" condition. Has found out, that "paralysis" degree can be regulated. At least, I have managed completely to open eyes, being thus in a vortical stream.
Has still found out, that the dream is helped by intended visualisation of objects. I will try to explain. Somewhere I saw transfer how blind people learn to see objects not by means of sight (which at them is not present), and by means of internal visualisation when the person in mind represents the form, the size and colour of object, the truth I do not remember, how it is system precisely is called. In general, the blind person starts to see the world, roughly being expressed, the brain.
And so, before a dream, having closed an eye, I have imagined room conditions. I have made it not specially, have simply recollected about transfer, poprobyval and have forgotten. When there was a sensation of discomfort at first has tried to operate a vortical stream. Has tried. There was a noise in ears as if radio adjust. Earlier I did not have this noise. About noise I have learnt from here from kommentov, therefore on mind the thought has come, that I create this sound.
Before at me it turned out to hear a melody, being thus in full silence. It is necessary to scroll it in mind until it "not will begin to sound". To "Listen" everything is possible, everything. By the way, that knows notes and who has a hearing, it can very much it is useful. I have thought, that by analogy also business is and with visualisation.
All these thoughts were carried by at me in a head for a second, therefore when me has completely tightened in a whirlwind and my brain has started to behold darkness, I have cut visualisation. Result - an accurate dream without everyones pereskokov long time. In general I consider, that any conscious action raises perception in a dream.
2 Esoterics
Tried your method "jo-jo". While it turns out nothing., Probably, with a ring I will sleep. Silver, I think, will approach.